In this episode, Tanzeen Doha and Jalil Kochai interview renowned American Indian author Ward Churchill to discuss his groundbreaking essay “The Ghosts of 9-1-1”, his observations on genocide in the texts A Little Matter of Genocide and Kill the Indian, Save the Man, and his foreword to Stephen Sheehi’s book on Islamophobia. The conversation not only touches upon Churchill’s astute historical analysis of Islamophobia and native genocide as foundational to Western “civilization,” it takes a spontaneous turn towards contemporary histories of struggle, and ideas for political and ethical action outside of the paradigm of settler civil society and citizenship.